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The Niobid Painter

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The Niobid Painter














The Niobid Painter


  1. The Niobid Painter is named after the scene on Side B of this vase; the killing of the Niobids (the children of Queen Niobe).
  2. He was influenced by the wall painter Polygnotos, though he would have been familiar with other painters, like Mikon in Athens
  3. Shape: Calyx krater
  4. Function: mixing bowl for wine and water.
  5. Painter: Niobid Painter
  6. Potter: unknown
  7. Technique: red figure
  8. Date: c.470-450 B.C
  9. Dimensions Height: 55cm
  10. Inscriptions

     There are no inscriptions on this vase.

     Neither the potter or the painter signed the vase, and none of the figures are named.


There is much uncertainty surrounding this vase which we will need to become aware of.  Firstly the name of the painter: he is named after this particular vase, or rather the scene that he painted on it.  Although he painted many others, this is the one which he is most famous for.



Date:              470-450 BC

Type:             Calyx Krater-Red figure

Potter:           Unknown

Painter:         "Niobid Painter"

Height:          54cms

Diameter of Mouth:            55cms

Subject:        Side A: ???????

Side B: Slaughter of the children of Niobe by the children of Leto (Artemis and Apollo).


To further clarify the name of the painter, it is worthwhile telling the story of Niobe, from which he got his name, and which is also the story on the B side of the vase.  Niobe was the daughter of Tantalus, a king in Asia Minor; and the wife of Amphion, King of Thebes, by whom she had 12 children (6 of each).  She boasted that this made her better than Leto, who had had only two children, the deities Artemis and Apollo (their father of course was Zeus).  Leto was somewhat outraged by this and sent her two children to kill all the children of Niobe (the word NIOBID means "child of Niobe).  This they did, and it is this which is portrayed on the vase.  After this, Niobe wept for nine days and nights, then the gods buried the bodies of her children, and turned her into a large rock on Mount Sipylus.  Now let's look at the detail of the vase.  Oh, you ought to remind yourselves of what the Greeks used calyx kraters for. They were used for _______________________________


Subject matter

Side A:           This is the unexplained one! We can identify some of the characters.

In the centre is Herakles, recognized by his lion skin and club.  He is looking to his right; his body is frontal and his head profile.  To his right is a soldier, wearing a fully closed helmet, carrying a spear and a shield.  To his right is Athena, identifiable by her aegis (goatskin with a gorgon clasp).  To her right there are three people: on a higher level, half hidden by a rock is a warrior with a crested helmet: it is a back view, but his view is towards the centre of the scene.  Below him there is another warrior with a crested helmet, shield and spear.  He is naked except for a light cloak which is fastened at the neck.  On the extreme right is a naked man with a Spartan helmet half-cocked, his sword is in its sheath.

 Below Herakles just to the right is a naked youth, his face is in 3/4 view and he is grabbing his leg in a rocking motion.  Below him there is another naked youth reclining: he holds two spears: there is a shield and helmet beside his feet. On the same level as Herakles, to his left is another naked warrior who is in a fully frontal position, with his head looking in towards the centre.  To his left is a bearded man wearing a petasos (wide brimmed hat) He is _dressed in a transparent tunic.{ NB the use of landscape is in the style typical of wall paintings of the period} On his extreme left is a dismounted horseman.  The horse faces inwards with a 3/4 pose.  The hero wears a Spartan helmet and is carrying 2 spears and a sword.


Possible Interpretations:

    1)     Giraud: They are the Argonauts at Lemnos: They'd settled there before Herakles stirred them up to find the golden fleece.

    2)     Gardner: Expiation service by the Argonauts after the killing of King Kyzilos.

    3)     Hauser: Success of the Greeks at the Battle of Marathon.

    4)     Six:        A scene from the Underworld of Herakles rescuing

                           Theseus from Hades.


Side B:           Much easier! Artemis and Apollo are in the central high ground. Apollo is naked except for a cloak on one arm.  He is about to shoot an arrow.  Artemis is getting an arrow from her quiver.  In front of Apollo is a tree!! Although pathetic, it is the first time that we have seen an attempt to portray landscape, and to attempt to show relative sizes of articles, indicating depth.  Below Artemis is a girl with a frontal, but dead face.  To her right is a boy, having been killed by an arrow.  Another arrow has already passed him and lies in front of him.  Then to his right there is a naked boy running away to avoid being killed: it is too late, he has already been hit by an arrow.  Behind Artemis there is a boy covering himself with a cloak to avoid being killed: he is also too late, the arrow is already there and he is about to fall.




Style and Composition

Drapery folds beginning to become more convincing because they are starting to follow the contour lines of the body.  A big change here is the break from a single groundline, with an elementary undulation forming a landscape of sorts.  This crude landscape often obscures parts of the bodies of characters The direction of the figures' gazes and their posture gives a unity to this composition, rather than their relative positions.  No real depth possible, despite attempts at foreshortening.




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